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Thursday, December 30, 2010

Hunter wants law to allow wounded deer kills after dark .Mike Bush Lyons,NY

Hunter wants law to allow wounded deer kills after dark
Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:02 PM CST

PHELPS — Not many people would find the proverbial “silver lining” after being fined $175, but Mike Bush believes he has.

“If this all works out, that 175 dollars will be worth millions to me,” said Bush, who lives on Route 14 in the town of Phelps.
Bush is trying to get state officials, including politicians and the brass at the Department of Environ­mental Conser­vation, to let hunters kill wounded deer after dark.
He already has taken his cause to state Sen. Michael Nozzolio, R-54 of Fayette, who is considering Bush’s proposal.
“What I need for people to know is that this is a problem, the way the law currently is,” Bush said. “How many deer out there are suffering for days, weeks or months because of a DEC law that needs to be changed?” 

Bush’s story goes back to Nov. 21, when he and some companions were hunting deer in the town of Lyons. One member of the hunting party shot a deer about 4 p.m., but the animal was only wounded and ran off.
Knowing they could only legally shoot until sunset, Bush and his fellow hunters began tracking the deer and continued following the trail after dark. When they found the animal several hours later, about 7 p.m., it was still alive and tried to get away.
Bush finished off the deer in an area near the village of Lyons, and a concerned resident called police.
“I would have done that, too, if I heard a shot that close to my home,” Bush said. “I don’t blame the person for calling.”State troopers, Wayne County deputies and Lyons police were at the scene quickly, and Bush explained the situation to them.
“The deer had a shattered back leg and punctured intestines,” Bush said of the deer’s condition before he killed it. “What am I supposed to do? Let the deer suffer all night like that?”

Police then called a DEC officer, who confirmed what the police and the hunters already knew — deer can only be legally shot between sunrise and sunset during big-game season, even if the hunter is humanely putting the animal out of its misery. Bush was ticketed by police, and later pleaded guilty and paid the $175 fine.
“They believed my story, but they still had to issue me a ticket,” Bush said. “I guess it could have been worse. It could have been a misdemeanor, but they wrote it up as a violation.”
Instead of stewing about being fined for what he believes was the right thing to do, Bush is trying to get the law changed.

“This has turned out to be an opportunity, not a bad thing,” he said. “An awful lot of hunters know you can’t shoot after dark, but after dark the deer is on its own. This probably happens hundreds of times a year to hunters all around the state.”

Bush’s plan would create an after-hours deer recovery permit. It would be a two-part permit issued by any police officer.
One half of the permit would have the hunters’ names and area of search, and would be retained by the police and sent to the DEC. The other half would be held by the hunters and given to a DEC officer by sundown the next day.
At that time, the DEC officer could do an investigation and have the authority to confiscate the deer. Animals would have to be tagged, and if the deer is confiscated, the tag would be lost to the hunter, thus discouraging getting a permit for the purchase of poaching.
Bush said the names of the hunters on the permit would be in a computer database, which would enable the DEC to see if people are regularly applying for permits or doing so in different jurisdictions.
The permit would allow no more than three hunters to search for the wounded deer, and only one of them could be armed.
Bush said three-person teams set up in this fashion would make sure that no hunter is in the woods alone, and they would be required to carry flashlights that are on at all times.
Bush said by limiting the time a deer can be killed to the daylight hours, many of them suffer needlessly. He believes most hunters would go along with his idea.
“This is not about getting the deer and the meat. It’s about the suffering of the animal. Right now, the law is about animal cruelty,” he said. “Each hunting season, dozens and quite possibly hundreds of deer die long, painful deaths in New York state because of a faulty hunting law which forbids moral and ethical hunters from putting wounded deer down after dark.”

Bush said the deer generally die from infection or starvation after days, weeks or even months of pain and suffering. He believes many hunters do track down and euthanize deer after dark — risking arrest, fines and loss of hunting privileges — but far more don’t because it is against the law.
Bush hopes Nozzolio and other state officials consider passing what he calls a practical change in the law that will end the suffering of deer. He also encourages people to call their local politicians if they support the idea.
“I think hunters would be behind this 100 percent,” said Bush, who is also trying to get sportsmen clubs behind his cause. “This is what I’m trying to get done, and I will get it done, whether it takes months or years. It’s the ethical and moral thing to do.”
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Tuesday, December 28, 2010

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Thursday, December 9, 2010


  Today I was at a friends house and the subject turned to this years deer hunting experiences.My friend Mike Bush of Lyons,NY was describing his trip to the Lyons  Town court today and the paying of a $175.00 Fine. It seems that last week he and Bill Durham were hunting as always at a freinds house in north Lyons .Another friend that is with them shoots a deer and wounds it. It is now appox.4:00 pm the season ends at sunset about 35-45 minutes away. Mike and the friend set off to track the wounded deer. Mike is the one with the waders they are heading into very wet woodlands to retrieve the gravely wounded deer.They find the deer and when they get to it, it is still alive, but almost dead. But also it is past the sunset ending time of the hunting day.To me this is a no brainer you need to do the right and humane thing end this ordeal . So Mike does the right thing and kills the deer.
 But in the eyes of the dec it is the wrong thing to do. Mike was issued a ticket for taking a deer after hours. $175.00 Fine For doing the right thing.
 This group of deer hunters hunt for the hunt and the spoils of the hunt ,not to break the law. The  DEC Officer said they should have called a Law enforcement to distroy the deer. But told Mike he would not go in the wet woods to do it.
 Be careful when you do the right thing it may cost you.
 It should not be wrong to do the right thing. If they were hunting after hours and poaching that would be a different story wouldn't it?
I'm Asking the hunters what would you do?
Side note : Mike Bush is a retired law enforcement officer who was wounded in the line of duty. 

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Sunday, December 5, 2010

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Thursday, December 2, 2010


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Tuesday, November 30, 2010

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Monday, November 22, 2010

When comparing Gun prices online .Be sure.....

Comparing Gun prices online
 When comparing prices online be sure that it is the same model  as the one you are comparing it to.
Firearms come in many Models with numerous options.
Magazine capacity  <10-10-15-17 Glock And Ruger along with all manufacturers offer, Many different configurations of the same model.
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Barrel Lenth ,Barrel construction, rifling Twists per inch.
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Metal -Blue,Stainless Steel
Compisite- Parkerized,camo
Along with many other things depending on the gun and its use hunting ,sporting or personal protection.
Make sure the gun is legal in your state.State laws vary by state.
 In New York you are limited to 10 round removable clips Pistols or Rifles.
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Sunday, November 21, 2010

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Saturday, November 20, 2010


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Thursday, November 18, 2010

Buying a gun online

Buying a gun online is not as hard as you think. First and foremost, The most important thing is check your State Laws on the gun you want to buy.
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Saturday, November 6, 2010

RG GUNS NY OPENS LYONS, NEW YORK STORE -Place your order online and pick up at store and get free shipping.

We finally got our New York State Dealers License . 1 Day short of  5 Very Long Months. This ends a 9 month journey to set up a gun shop in NYS. It begins a  new saga in a journey into the future and the meeting many many new friends along the way. Hope to meet you soon!
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Saturday, October 30, 2010

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010


 Glock 26 -21 Reviews

The Glock 26 is a subcompact 9mm pistol. It is the smallest of the Glock 9mm handguns and one of the most popular police guns when it comes to back up or off duty weapons. The Glock 26 was designed along with all the other Baby Glocks as an alternative to snub nose pistols that officers had been carrying. With the Glock 26 police officers can still carry a small pistol and have full confidence that the weapon they are carrying will stop the threat.

The Glock 26 features many of the same qualities that all the other Glock pistols have that make them some of the best police guns. The Glock 26 features the safe action system, lightweight frame, and very accurate design. Best Police Guns has listed all of the Glock 26 specifications below.

Glock 26 specifications:

    * Caliber: 9mm
    * Unloaded weight: 560 grams
    * Loaded weight: 740 grams
    * Length: 6.29 inches
    * Barrel length: 3.46 inches
    * Height: 4.17 inches
    * Barrel height: 1.26 inches
    * Trigger pull: 5.5 lbs
    * Barrel rifling: right hand, hexagonal
    * Magazine capacity: 10

Best Police Guns has shot the Glock 26 several times. Just like all the other Glock handguns, Best Police Guns likes the Glock 26. It is very accurate and reliable. When we compared the Glock 26 to the Glock 27 we didn't notice any difference. The kick back between the two different calibers was very minimal and not even an issue. The only thing that is important when choosing one of the baby Glocks is to make sure you match the caliber to your full size Glock duty weapon. The reason this is important is because you are able to put a full size magazine into the baby Glocks should you ever need to. So if you carry a Glock 17 then you would get a Glock 26 because they are both 9mm pistols.

There are a few accessories that you can get on the Glock 26 and those accessories are very minor ones. You are not able to put a tactical light on the Glock 26 because it does not have rails. Best Police Guns always recommending putting on an aftermarket grip like a Hogue grip. The grip of the Glocks are a little slippery when your hands get moist. The Hogue grip allows you to maintain a good grip on it. Another key accessory is the grip extender. This is a small extension that fits in the butt of the Glock 26 grip that extends the grip a little bit allowing for you to get more of your hand on the grip.

Overall, RG Gunsny likes the Glock 26 and highly recommends it for anybody looking for a subcompact 9mm pistols

Glock 21
The Glock 21 is a full size .45 automatic handgun. It is the original big bore handgun made by Glock and carried by many police officers as their duty issued handgun. While not the most popular Glock pistol used daily, it is sure up there with the Glock 17 and Glock 22. One of the reasons that the Glock 21 is popular is because it can hold 13 rounds in the magazine. That is more than most other .45 pistols can. One of the key differences in the Glock 21 than the other Glock pistols is that the Glock 21 has a lighter slide. This lighter slide is what helps the Glock 21 be so accurate. In all of the Glock 21 reviews you will see that people rave about the accuracy of the Glock 21. Best Police Guns has fired the Glock 21 on several occasions and can attest to the accuracy of the Glock 21. Obviously some of the accuracy has to do with the shooter. A handgun can only be as accurate as the shooter is.

One of the most common concerns that Best Police Guns reads in Glock 21 reviews is that people are concerned with the kickback of the Glock 21. As like all other police guns, kickback is only an issue if you aren't properly holding onto the firearm. Yes a .45 auto is going to have more kick than a 9 mm police gun, but it is manageable.

A lot of people get the Glock 21 and the Glock 21C confused and think the Glock 21C is a compact version of the Glock 21. That is incorrect. The compact Glock .45 auto is the Glock 38 and the subcompact Glock .45 auto is the Glock 39. The Glock 21C is a full size .45 auto but is considered a Glock compensator pistol. The Glock "C" models contain an integrated compensator which produces a higher rate of accuracy during rapid fire. Typically the Glock 21C is used during competitions.

Glock 21 specifications:

    * Caliber- .45 auto
    * Weight (Loaded)- 1085 grams
    * Weight (Unloaded)- 745 grams
    * Length- 7.59 inches
    * Barrel Length- 4.60 inches
    * Width- 1.27 inches
    * Height- 5.47 inches
    * Barrel Height- 1.26 inches
    * Magazine Capacity- 13
    * Trigger Pull- 5.5 lbs
    * Trigger Travel- .5 inches
    * Line of Sight- 6.77 inches
    * Barrel Rifling- Right hand, octagonal



Beretta PX4 StormReview

 Just a few thoughts on the Beretta Storm

When Beretta took to designing the PX4 Storm pistol they thought about everybody's needs. The new Beretta Px4 Storm pistol is the one the most advanced pistols manufactured by anybody. The Beretta PX4 Storm was designed around am idea that a pistol can be adapted to different needs and modes of operations, without compromising on ergonomics and the renowned Beretta reliability and performance. As a result the PX4 Storm is one of the most popular police guns and civilian guns.

The Beretta PX4 Storm has three key ideas: power, easy to use, and reliability. When you pick up a Beretta PX4 Storm you can see right away that it is an easy to use firearm. The power theory will come into play when you shoot either the 9 mm, .40 S&W, or 45 ACP. The reliability is a given with the Beretta name on it.

The Beretta PX4 features two types of safeties. They are signified by being called model F and model G. Model F has a manual safety/hammer decocking lever. Model G has a hammer decocking lever. The model G decocking lever can be replaced with a low profile configuration to further reduce the overall dimensions of the slide. Both safety levers are positioned on both sides of the slide for easy access by all shooters. The 9 mm and.40 S&W Beretta PX4 Storms come in both models while the 45 ACP is only available in model G.
The PX4 Storm is lighter than the 92f as well, thanks to the composite frame, but it's still hefty enough that it feels nice and solid in your hand or on your waist.

Field stripping couldn't be simpler. With no tools necessary, the average shooter can field strip this weapon for basic cleaning in less than 5 seconds. It only takes ten seconds to put it all back together again.

The PX4 is a double action semi-auto, full trigger pull on the first round and single action each shot thereafter. That's about the only thing that is typical for this fine piece of machinery.

Here are the technical stats for the Beretta PX4 Storm.

    * Caliber: 9 mm, .40 S&W, 45 ACP
    * Capacity: 9 mm- 17 rounds, .40 S&W- 14, 45 ACP- 9 or 10
    * Rifling: Right hand, 6 grooves
    * General Operation Semiautomatic, short recoil of barrel.
    * Slide: Steel, sandblasted, phosphatized and Bruniton coated.
    * Barrel: Steel, sandblasted and blued. Internally chromium-plated.
    * Unloaded Weight: 9 mm and .40 S&W- 785 grams, 45 ACP- 800 grams
    * Overall Length: 7.55 inches
    * Barrel Length: 4.00 inches
    * Overall Width: 1.42 inches
    * Grip Width: 1.18 inches
    * Overall Height: 5.51 inches
    * Rail Slide: Yes

Beretta PX4 Storm price: MSRP

    * 9mm: $600.00
    * .40 S&W: $600.00
    * 45 ACP: $650.00
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Thursday, October 21, 2010

Smith & Wesson Begins Shipping Bodyguard Line

SPRINGFIELD, MA--Smith & Wesson Corp. announced that it has begun shipping the new Bodyguard 380 semi-automatic pistol and Bodyguard 38 revolver. Incorporating the latest advancements in personal protection technology, the new Bodyguards offer consumers a new uniquely engineered, lightweight, self-defense firearm with built-in laser sights.

“The new Bodyguard 380 pistol and 38 revolver combine our company’s innovative design and manufacturing techniques with the technology of one of the industry’s leading laser optic companies, Insight Technology,” said Tom Kelly, Vice President of Marketing for Smith & Wesson. “Each model has truly been designed and built from the ground up in order to provide consumers with a reliable and quality firearm that matches their personal protection needs. The Bodyguard products are unique as they are the first handguns designed with built-in lasers.  Both the pistol and the revolver are lightweight, compact and concealable for personal protection and concealed carry.”

BODYGUARD 380 Pistol
Compact, sleek and ergonomic, the Bodyguard 380 delivers personal protection in an easy-to-carry platform. Chambered in .380 Auto, the lightweight pistol features a high-strength polymer frame with a black, Melonite coated stainless steel slide and barrel. The new Bodyguard 380 is standard with a 2 ¾-inch barrel, which contributes to an overall length of 5 ¼-inches and an unloaded weight of only 11.85 ounces.

The new pistol features a double-action fire control system that allows for rapid second-strike capability. The Bodyguard 380 has been further enhanced with a smooth trigger pull. Adding to its simplicity, the Bodyguard 380 is standard with a manual thumb safety and an external take down lever and slide stop. On the lower portion of the frame, the pistol has been fitted with an integral Insight laser, which is easily operated by both left and right-handed shooters. With its slim-line ergonomic grip, the pistol is comfortable in the hand and points naturally. To help aid in quick sight acquisition when the laser is not in use, the pistol includes black, Melonite-coated, stainless steel, drift adjustable dovetail sights. The Bodyguard 380 is standard with a 6+1 magazine capacity.

BODYGUARD 38 Revolver
Chambered in .38 S&W Special +P, the Bodyguard 38 continues Smith & Wesson’s line of reliable small-frame self-defense revolvers. The Bodyguard 38 delivers the optimal combination of accuracy and simplicity. With its lightweight design, the Bodyguard 38 allows for discreet carry and its hammerless design provides a snag-free presentation. The five-shot revolver features a short 1.9-inch barrel, which contributes to a compact overall length of 6.6 inches.

Weighing in at 14.3 ounces, the Bodyguard 38 features a one-piece aluminum alloy upper frame along with a steel reinforced polymer lower frame. The barrel and cylinder on the revolver are both stainless steel. The stainless steel cylinder is coated with a durable, non-reflective, matte black PVD finish for long term carrying and low light presentation. Designed to accommodate both left and right-handed shooters, the revolver features an easily manipulated ambidextrous cylinder release on the top of the frame. The revolver is further enhanced with an ergonomic one-piece rubber grip and a smooth trigger pull.

On the right side of the frame, the revolver has been fitted with an integral Insight laser, allowing precise shot placement in low light conditions. For fast target acquisition when the laser is not in use, the revolver sports a notch-style rear sight and a pinned black blade front sight. The Bodyguard 38, with its double-action only design, can be easily concealed for discreet carry.

Insight Laser
At the core of the new Bodyguard line of firearms is the capability of the Insight laser. Allowing for optimal accuracy, both the Bodyguard 380 and 38 are fitted with a red laser sight designed and produced in conjunction with Insight Technology. A world leader in the design, development and manufacture of tactical lasers, Insight Technology designed the integrated laser system to perfectly mate with the new pistol and revolver. Accurate, durable and easily adjusted, the integral laser provides shooters with added confidence by enabling quick sight acquisition under low light conditions.

The integrated laser sighting system enables faster target acquisition for shooters of all experience levels.  By working closely together and designing the firearm and laser sight system to be integral, Smith & Wesson and Insight Technology have achieved a value proposition that allows more firearm customers to afford laser sighting system technology.

The Bodyguard 380 pistol has an MSRP of $575 and the BODYGUARD 38 revolver has an MSRP of $625.

Tuesday, October 19, 2010

Thursday, October 14, 2010

Home Defense: What gun is right for you?

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You must first decide to buy a gun.
Many people purchase their first gun for home defense, and the question of which type of gun to pick is a common one. The three basic choices are a handgun, shotgun, or rifle. Of the three, I would recommend a shotgun  for most situations, with handguns being recommended for people who lack the physical ability to handle a shotgun. My recommendation for the “ideal” home defense shotgun, and the pros and cons of each of these firearm types, in the order which I recommend them, are discussed below.

My ideal home defense firearm is a 12 gauge pump action shotgun with an 18″ barrel and a magazine capacity of 6 shells or more, such as the Remington 870 XCS Marine Magnum. 12 gauge is the most common shotgun gauge these days, and 12 gauge shells are amazingly effective when loaded with 00 buckshot (pronounced “double ought buckshot”). The 18″ barrel is the minimum length generally allowed by law, and does not make the gun too cumbersome inside a home. The pump action is the pinnacle of reliability, and makes it easy to keep the gun stored safely but ready to use at a moment’s notice. The gun will be amazingly effective at close range, and the risk of over penetration through exterior walls and subsequent injury to neighbors is lower than with a rifle or handgun.
The gun I listed as my 1st choice, a Remington 870 XCS Marine Magnum, costs about $900, which is nearly three times as much as as basic pump action shotgun such as the Remington 870 Express. The benefit of paying for this more expensive gun comes in the form of better build quality, a corrosion resistant coating, a nice recoil reducing pad on the stock, and the ability of the gun to easily accept magazine extensions. If you feel like spending more on the Remington 870 XCS Marine Magnum go for it, and if not the standard Remington 870 will still provide excellent protection for your home and loved ones.
1st Choice: A Shotgun:
Pros: Incredibly effective. Less risk of injury to neighbors due to over penetration of walls.
Cons: Harder to maneuver with in tight spaces due to larger size than handguns.
I would generally recommend a shotgun for home defense, because shotguns are (rightfully so) generally considered to be the most effective short ranged firearm. Rather than shooting a single bullet with each pull of the trigger as a rifle or handgun would do, shotguns shoot multiple pellets. These multiple pellets are more likely to stop an attacker but less likely to pass through the exterior walls of your home and injure your neighbors (note that I say *less* likely, as there is always a risk to bystanders). The recoil from firing a shotgun is heavier than a handgun, but this heavier recoil is more than worth the increase in effectiveness (although there is more to the effectiveness of a firearm than the kinetic energy of its projectiles, you can compare the 500 ft-lbs of energy from a .45 caliber bullet to the 2000+ ft-lbs from a shotgun firing 00 buckshot). For those who are new to guns and not accustomed to recoil, let me assure you that you will quickly get used to it after a few trips to your local range. For those who have a physical condition that does not allow them to tolerate heavier recoil, I would suggest acquiring a gas operated semi-automatic shogun (such as the Remington 11-87) which will be more gentle than a pump action or double barreled shotgun. Another option is to use low recoil shotgun shells, which as the name suggests, will be more gentle than standard shells. Such low recoil shells are going to be slightly less effective than standard shells, but this difference is trivial in the home defense scenario, and some experts recommend low recoil shells for home defense over standard shells.
Another consideration that applies to shotguns and rifles is the length of the firearm. In smaller homes with narrower hallways, a barrel that is too long would make the firearm difficult to maneuver with. For this reason I would suggest a barrel length of 18″, rather than the 30″ barrel which might be more appropriate for hunting or trapshooting purposes.
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2nd Choice: a Handgun:
Pros: Easier to maneuver with in tight spaces do to its small size. Lower recoil than most shotguns and rifles.
Cons: Less effective than a shotgun or rifle.
A handgun, such as one from the Springfield XD line of pistols, would be my 2nd choice recommendation for home defense.
Handguns are generally less effective than shotguns or rifles, as their projectiles have less energy, but they do have the benefit of being easier to maneuver with in cramped quarters, such as smaller houses and apartments. Handgun bullets will generally penetrate exterior walls more than shotguns, but less than rifles, meaning that the hypothetical danger to your neighbors is lower than with a rifle but higher than with a shotgun. My recommendations for the proper pistol self defense calibers are here.  Those who are unsure whether they should select a pistol or revolver will find this article helpful.
Another benefit of handguns is that they often have less recoil and can be less intimidating to some people. Indeed my girlfriend is more comfortable with handguns than with rifles or shotguns, as discussed here. You may also wish to consider certain accessories for your home defense handgun.

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3rd Choice: a Rifle:
Pros: Generally much more effective than a handgun.
Cons: Rifle bullets have a tendency to over penetrate walls, increasing the danger to your neighbors.
A rifle would be my last choice for a home defense firearm, although it would certainly be preferable over throwing sticks and stones at a home invader.
Rifles are generally more effective than handguns, however rifle bullets are able to penetrate much further than the shot from a shotgun or the bullets from a handgun. This creates a much greater risk to your neighbors, without much benefit to you. Rifles are generally designed for longer range shooting (e.g. 100 yards, and much further +) so there is no appreciable benefit in a rifle designed for long range shooting within your house, since if you are ever forced to shoot a home invader it will be at very close range. Indeed, shooting at someone who is 100 yards away is rather difficult to justify as self defense. Although rifles are great for many purposes, home defense is not usually one of them, since rifles possess the drawbacks of shotguns (heavier recoil, more physically bulky and difficult to maneuver with in close quarters) while having almost none of the advantages (such as less of a risk of over penetration).  That said, pistol caliber carbines can be a viable self defense option.

Colt Arms 223
Now that you have selected a gun for home defense, pick the proper ammunition.


When discussing the risk of overpenetration, I assumed that the shotgun ammunition being used was 00 buckshot from a 2.75″ shotgun shell, that the handgun ammunition being used was somewhere between 9mm and .45 caliber, and that the rifle ammunition being used was somewhere between .243 and .30-06. Although the danger of over penetration may be lower with shotguns than with handguns or rifles, the projectile(s) from any gun can over penetrate and pose a danger to innocent bystanders. Even if you are forced to fire your gun in self defense or defense of your family, you should not endanger the lives of your neighbors or other innocent bystanders.

Also, it should go without saying that firing at a human being is the absolute last resort and is only justified to prevent death or grievous bodily harm from being inflicted on yourself or a loved one. The decision to possess a gun carries with it the moral responsibly to use the utmost care and good judgment. Similarly, it is the responsibility of the gun owner to ensure the gun is not stolen by criminals or misused by children, and to comply with any applicable laws on the storage of the firearm.

Nearly every American man has heard the story of the shootout at the OK Corral.  Wyatt Earp and his cohorts confronted a group of outlaw cowboys and emerged victorious.  While much myth and mystery surrounds the circumstances of this encounter, a few things are very clear.  Wyatt Earp was proficient with his Colt Peacemaker and Doc Holiday with the shotgun. While much has changed since the days of the Wild West, both the handgun and the shotgun remain top choices for clearing out ruffians who are encroaching on your territory.
And it is your right to do so.
But what ever you decide to purchase, you must have proper instruction in use of your firearm.
A firearm is of no use to you if you don.t know how to use it safely.
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Sunday, September 26, 2010

New York State Crossbow Update and ?

 Governor Patterson signed into law the bill allowing crossbow hunting in NYS but it appears that the dec will not have anything ready until 2011 at the earliest. New regulations take time.
With the fall season upon us bow season will be opening soon. Brings back memory's of  my bow hunting days with a recurve bow. Not to good of memory's as far as having a good hunt. Spent a lot of time waiting .It seemed that it took even more cunning on the part of the hunter to get or be in a good postion to make a shot . Holding a 50#? bow was a trial in its self. Also the custom made arrows  Fresh out of the box with brand new  broadheads.Made just for your draw length.
Practice would  take its toll on the new arrows.But even without the great success of the hunt it will always be a great time in my life.Another recurve adventure carp in canal in Newark, New York .To try and shoot carb is a visual game between your eyes and the water. The fish is not always where it seems. Believe me when I say it took a few arrows to learn.The arrow was attached to the bow with a open faced round drum type reel with fly line to secure the arrow.and allow retrieval of the arrow. This was a time when the canning factory was running in Newark,New york.The canal served for a path of alot of excess corn and peas floating on the surface of the water. This made the carp ripe for the picking.Another good time in life. Good times in life come all the time and most people don't realize it . As you get older you seem to forget to have good times in life. Savor life before its done.

Be safe
See you in the woods

Thursday, September 23, 2010

Would you have shot him?

 Here's a story you would have to live to decide what you would do.
 Read the story and you decide what you would have done(maybe).

A Rochester man accused of shooting another city man in the abdomen last night during a road-rage incident pleaded not guilty in City Court today.
Craig S. Hasman, 50, of Lake Avenue was charged with second-degree assault, a felony, according to City Court records.
The arrest followed an incident that involved two vehicles — a motorcycle and a minivan — that were both southbound on Lake when the motorcyclist and the driver of the minivan started arguing near Driving Park Avenue, said Rochester Police Officer Stephen Scott.
When both vehicles stopped at a red light at Lyell Avenue about 9 p.m., Scott said, passenger Michael Lee, 30, of Rochester got out of the minivan and approached the motorcyclist, Hasman, and punched him in the head, knocking him off the cycle.
Hasman is accused of retrieving his legally registered handgun and shooting Lee once in the abdomen.
Lee was taken to Strong Memorial Hospital, where he had surgery last night, officers said. He was listed in satisfactory condition today, according to a hospital spokeswoman.
According to the passenger on the motorcycle and the minivan’s driver — neither of whom were involved in the physical fight — Lee and Hasman were fighting about tailgating.
It appears to be an incident of aggressive driving,” Scott said. The minivan was following the motorcycle on Lake Avenue and the involved men were yelling at each other from their respective vehicles, he said.
Teresa Mancuso, the passenger on Hasman’s motorcycle, told police that the minivan was tailgating the motorcycle before the altercation, according to City Court documents. The driver of the minivan, Johndale Hartzog, claimed the motorcyclist accused him of tailgating and threatened him and Lee while both vehicles were still traveling south on Lake.
Scott said officers did not believe Lee and Hasman knew one another.
Hasman today was remanded to the Monroe County Jail in lieu of $10,000 cash bail or $30,000 bond. He is scheduled to return to court to appear with an attorney at 11 a.m. tomorrow.
Officers continue to investigate the incident. Scott said the Monroe County District Attorney’s Office would need to determine whether either man in the van would face charges. From Rochester,NY D&C

  I probably would have done to same thing. My wife and I also ride motorcycle. Anytime you have a large vehicle playing games to close it gets very unnerving. To assault someone as the motorcycle rider was assaulted and not be able to defend your self is wrong.It appears that there is no charges placed against the road rage driver and passenger.How assaulted must you be to defend yourself with you legal handgun?
Road rage,Punching ,knocking bike over must not be enough. I'm Sure that Mr. Hasman felt that his life was in danger at the time of shooting the attacker.If you feel your life is in danger or someone else your must have the right to defend yourself and the other person. That is the main reason to you carry your weapons. To defend yourself. Who draws the line in the sand to decide to use deadly force or be hurt or killed.
 most people never have to decide this. I feel Mr. Hasman did what any other gun owner would have done in this situation. Defend himself from personal harm or death.
One can only hope that the people (court system) see it as it truly is; self defense and nothing more.
 We as gun owners have to support the right to defend ourselves. With the crime that happens in the city of Rochester it's no wonder this type of thing does not happen more. I support the actions of Mr.Hasman 100%.
Best of luck in getting over this mountain.I only hope that I never have to make this kind of choice.The thing is when guns are involved, lives can be changed forever in a blink of an eye.

No matter what you decide about this issue. You could be in that same position at any time in today's world.  How would you react?What would have happened if no gun was involved.Somebody stabbed, beat to death.The way I look at it the gun stopped it; good or bad, right or wrong Tough call unless you are there.
Tough call for our justice system to do the right thing.

 Pistol permits are a very fragile thing these days. They are ever increasingly harder to obtain.The counties set there own rules on how long you wait.What the guidelines are to get a permit in your county.Wayne county has a new sheriff this means we have a new issuing officer for our permits. New guide lines and staff to process our permit applications. But in Wayne County You can have no problems to stop issue of your permit but you still wait months to hear.Checking the mail daily hoping to hear yes or no. We have a new card permit system here. How this effects the process is yet to be seen. It will make purchases of handguns easier for people that already have permits. But I am sure it will not change the issuance of new permits. Our county is slowing down issuing concealed carry permits. Making it even harder to get CC permits anymore.Because remember New York CC Means you must conceal your weapon.So if you have your permit Protect your right to keep it.

Some Links to read more.  Mr. Hasman side of the story ( Information complaint)
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Sunday, September 19, 2010

Sig sauer p229 review

One of the most popular Sig Sauer pistols is the Sig Sauer P229. The Sig Sauer is currently the issued weapon for the Department of Homeland Security, ICE, US Coast Guard, local law enforcement agencies, and many other federal agencies. The Sig Sauer is a well built police gun that is very reliable. As Best Police Guns mentioned earlier there are several different models of the Sig Sauer P229. Best Police Guns has listed each Sig Sauer P229 model and explained to them below.
Sig Sauer P229R- This version of the P229R is the most popular. It is a smaller handgun that is perfect for carrying as a concealed firearm. Here are the specs of the Sig Sauer P229R:
  • Caliber: 9mm, .40 S&W, or .357 SIG
  • Action type: DA/SA
  • Trigger pull: 10 lbs DA and 4.4 lbs SA
  • Length: 7.1 inches
  • Height: 5.4 inches
  • Loaded weight: 32 ounces
  • Capacity: 10 or 13 rounds for the 9mm and 10 or 12 for the .40 S&W and .357 SIG
  • Grips: Black Polymer
  • Frame: Black Hard Anodized
  • Slide: Nitron
  • CA Compliant: Yes
The Sig Sauer P229R costs $799.99.
Sig Sauer P229 Equinox- The P229 Equinox is a great looking police gun. It is called the Sig Sauer P229 Equinox because of its finished looks. The gun has a two tone finish to it that looks amazing. Here are the specs of the Sig Sauer P229 Equinox:
  • Caliber: .40 S&W
  • Action type: DA/SA
  • Trigger pull: 10 lbs DA and 4.4 lbs SA
  • Length: 7.1 inches
  • Height: 5.4 inches
  • Loaded weight: 32 ounces
  • Capacity: 12 rounds
  • Grips: Custom Wood Grips
  • Frame: Black Hard Anodized
  • Slide: Nitron with ground side flats
  • CA Compliant: Yes
The Sig Sauer P229 Equinox costs $1099.99.
Sig Sauer P229 Two Tone- The Sig Sauer P229 Two Tone is almost the same as the P229R except it has a two tone finish. Here are the specs of the Sig Sauer P229 Two Tone:
  • Caliber: 9mm, .40 S&W
  • Action type: DA/SA
  • Trigger pull: 10 lbs DA and 4.4 lbs SA
  • Length: 7.1 inches
  • Height: 5.4 inches
  • Loaded weight: 32 ounces
  • Capacity: 10 or 13 rounds for the 9mm and 10 or 12 for the .40 S&W
  • Grips: Black Polymer
  • Frame: Black Hard Anodized
  • Slide: Stainless
  • CA Compliant: Yes
The Sig Sauer P229 Two Tone costs $799.99.
Sig Sauer P229 DAK- The P229 DAK is the standard issued Coast Guard duty weapon. This weapon features the DAK trigger system which makes it a very safe pistol. Here are the specs of the Sig Sauer P229 DAK:
  • Caliber: 9mm, .40 S&W, .357 SIG
  • Action type: DAK
  • Trigger pull: 6.5 lbs
  • Length: 7.1 inches
  • Height: 5.4 inches
  • Loaded weight: 32 ounces
  • Capacity: 13 rounds for the 9mm and 12 for the .40 S&W and .357 SIG
  • Grips: Black Polymer
  • Frame: Black Hard Anodized
  • Slide: Nitron
  • CA Compliant
The Sig Sauer P229 DAK costs $799.99.
Sig Sauer P229 Elite- The P229 Elite stands apart from other P229 pistols because it features a newly designed beavertail grip, front cocking serrations, front strap checkering, and wood grips. Here are the specs of the Sig Sauer P229 Elite:
  • Caliber: 9mm, .40 S&W
  • Action type: DA/SA
  • Trigger pull: 10 lbs DA and 4.4 lbs SA
  • Length: 7.6 inches
  • Height: 5.4 inches
  • Loaded weight: 32 ounces
  • Capacity: 13 rounds for the 9mm and 12 for the .40 S&W
  • Grips: Custom Rosewood
  • Frame: Black Hard Anodized
  • Slide: Nitron
  • CA Compliant: No
The Sig Sauer P220 Elite costs $1099.99.
Sig Sauer P229 Elite Stainless- This P229 is the same as the Sig Sauer P229 Elite except it has a stainless frame and stainless slide. The Sig Sauer P229 Elite Stainless costs $1149.99.  The Sig Sauer P229 Elite Stainless is not CA compliant.
Sig Sauer P229 Platinum Elite- Perhaps one of the nicest looking police guns, the Sig Sauer P229 Platinum features a new beavertail grip, front cocking serrations, front strap checkering and custom aluminum grips. The Platinum P229 has the same basic features of the P229 Elite with the exception the P229 Platinum has the custom aluminum grips and a stainless slide.  The Sig Sauer P229 Platinum Elite costs $1199.99.  The Sig Sauer P229 Platinum Elite is not CA compliant.
Sig Sauer P229 Elite Dark- The newest version of the P229 Elite, the Sig Sauer P229 Elite Dark is an all black P229. It has all the standard P229 Elite features with the option of having a threaded 9mm barrel and a .357 SIG caliber.  The Sig Sauer P229 Elite Dark costs $1049.99.  The Sig Sauer P229 Elite Dark is not CA compliant.
Sig Sauer P229 SCT- The Sig Sauer P229 SCT is an all black police gun that features front cocking serrations, night sights and large magazine capacities. Here are the specs of the Sig Sauer P229 SCT:
  • Caliber: 9mm, .40 S&W
  • Action type: DA/SA
  • Trigger pull: 10 lbs DA and 4.4 lbs SA
  • Length: 7.1 inches
  • Height: 5.4 inches
  • Loaded weight: 32.4 ounces
  • Capacity: 18 rounds for the 9mm and 14 for the .40 S&W
  • Grips: Black Polymer
  • Frame: Black Hard Anodized
  • Slide: Nitron
  • CA Compliant: No
Sig Sauer P229 SCT price: $974.99.
Info from best police 

What gun do you carry?Is it right for you?

  Carry today  (Concealed carry) takes a lot of thought when you are buying a carry hand gun.
DON'T fall in love with the first gun you see. Because there are some very nice pistols on the market today. Almost all makers make compact and sub compact hand guns. Do you want a semi-auto or revolver . Taurus, Smith and Wesson,Charter Arms all make small frame revolvers that are hammerless, this means the hammer is not exposed .The hammerless styles are good for pocket or purse carry mainly because the hammer or lack of will not get hung up on the way out when needed. If you ever have to use your weapon you need to get it out of where ever you decide to put it. My wife likes to carry a S&W air weight 38spl. We got her a revolver because of her not liking to carry a semi auto with a round in the chamber and being hammerless. But this is the purpose of having a carry gun is to have the gun loaded for use. In a time of need what are you going to do with a  gun with no round in the chamber ? "Wait a minute while a chamber a round" I don,t think so.
 I do not mind carrying my guns loaded in my pocket. I like the kel-tec sub compact models we have a .380 and .32acp .The .32 is my wifes. She does carry it loaded now .Ruger,Berretta,Kel-tec,Glock,Magunm Research and others make sub compact semi-auto pistols . They come in cal. 22lr-40sw and maybe .45 acp in a slightly larger frame but still fits in your pocket. When you carry any gun in your pocket daily I recommend a soft pocket holster to protect you pistol. I have aa AMT Backup semi auto that fits well in my back pocket.Sub-compact  means that unloaded they weigh approx. 8-15 oz. are fit very well in your pocket. Compacts frame is slightly larger and does fit in your pocket You need to ask where am I going to carry my gun?Holster,shoulder holster,purse,pocket.With all these different types of options,you have a different need in a firearm. Sig Sauer Makes several models in the higher end semi-auto pistols,Along with other makers.
The most important thing is that the gun fits you. If you are going to carry every day The pistol can not get in your way or be uncomfortable to wear. That's the key to the right choice in personal protection hand guns. Think about what it weighs ,wear it fits on your body and is going to get in your way.
 In the end its up to you .You have the right to bear arms .
About carry- A Quote from unknown gentleman "I rather carry every day for 60 years and not need my gun. Then not carry one day and need it." Well said.

All the guns above on available online at Along with Fine shotguns from Browing ,Berreta,Remington and Mossberg. Along with many,many other firearms. The lowest online prices anywhere.Contact use and we help you find the pistol that fits your need and budget.

Be safe and well
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Thursday, September 9, 2010

What does concealed carry mean in New York ?

  Does it mean that your weapon must be concealed ?

Having a concealed carry permit in new york means that you must carry it concealed.
New York Penal Law says you can be arrested for menacing for placing a person in fear of his life. By carrying your weapon openly.
Open Carry:
Prohibited in all public areas.

You can see that in today's times that having a gun on your hip would be distressing to some people.I think that a lot of the people who don't understand how much you have to do to get a pistol permit in New York State, would be upset that you have a gun and they don't.But on the other hand if more people carried their gun on their hip criminals would think twice about what they were going to do.
Being part of the gun business, My wife owns a online gun business and a soon to open store front pending the issuance of her NYS dealers license.Until that is issued she can sell firearns in every state except New York. In New York to sell hand guns you need a NYS Gundealers license. Opening a gun shop is not a piece of cake any more. The Federal process has gotten more strict as to who can be issued a federal Firearms license. You must now have a place of business to sell your firearms. Meet all local code and zoning laws. Have retail sales certificate.And have a NYS Gun Dealers License.The dealers License is issued by the county.Sheriffs Office.The process is much the same as a pistol fingerprints,photos and more money. The same Pay and wait Game.The process has seemed to slowed down in our county. If it is a real issue or just not wanting more guns on the street. Legal guns very seldom are used for crime unless it was stolen. We as gun owners need to always need to remember that it is our right to own guns.And sell them within the laws. New York also gives wide latitude to the county authorities in issuing permits. That is a very good thing for us, I would not want someone in Albany to decide if I could own a hand gun. That would even take longer.
 In our age of instant everything you would think that it would not take Months to Issue permits. I know you need to do a very good check on the person, but that must take a long time? Or your application is laying on the desk of someone in the Mental Health Department or on the desk of the issuing officer.

The Cobis program in NYS has not caught 1 criminal. The main thing it does is catalog every new handgun that enters the state before it is sold. This starts the paper trail of your handgun. And every time your gun is sold it is recorded in the data base by the State Police. You must be sure the gun you sold gets taken off your permit. You are responsible for this you need to file an ammendment at the County Clerks or the issuing office in your county.
 Some other NY Gun Laws to keep in mind
 Applications for licenses must be acted upon within 6 months after presentment. If there is a delay, there must be written notice to the applicant stating the reasons.
Automobile carry:
A loaded handgun may be carried in a vehicle by a properly licensed individual. (Loaded means a firearm with ammunition loaded in magazine or chamber or any firearm which is possessed by one who at the same time possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such a firearm.) Possession of any loaded rifle or shotgun in a vehicle is illegal.
It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license.
Places off-limits when carrying:
It is a crime to possess any rifle, shotgun or handgun in or upon a building or grounds, used for educational purposes, of any school, college or university. It is lawful, however, to possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun in or upon the forestry lands, wherever located, owned and maintained by the State University of New York College of environmental science and forestry, without the written authorization of such educational institution.
Is pepper spray legal in New York?
New York: New York residents may only purchase defense sprays from licensed Firearms Dealers or licensed Pharmacists in that state.
Be safe and see you in the woods.

Tuesday, August 31, 2010

Choosing the right shotgun

 Making the right choice on your shotgun purchase is not always easy.First thing you have to decide is what type of hunting you are going to be doing
  And how much money you are willing to spend to do it! Modern shotguns have grown into a very breed of their own. from the very reasonable priced guns store brands if you will. to the higher end works of art that they are. When it comes to any type of firearm be it a finely made over and under,A finely crafted pistol they are works of art . That just happen to be very deadly used incorrectly.
Their are also many shotguns made for home defense. All with the ammo to do it. Nothing greets an intruder better than the old faithful 12ga.
  The proper instruction in the safe use of firearms should be taught in every home that chooses to have them.
I am one of millions that do choose to bear arms. Along with you!!
 So now lets talk a little about shotguns.
  Choice in gauge is important based on hunting preference.In most small game rabbit,squirrel,crow the 20 ga. will be ample gun to do the job.If your prey gets any bigger the 16 or 12 ga. would be a better choice.Turkey and fowl its best to use 12ga. Some hunters like the 10 ga. for goose hunting but that is a handful of gun.Choosing chokes for specific hunting conditions is quite important. For shooting where most birds are taken inside 25 yards, Skeet and Improved Cylinder are our most useful chokes. When teamed up with the right load, those two deliver adequate pattern density for shots out to 25 long paces and yet pattern diameter is large enough to make hitting birds that flash by just off the muzzle of your gun quite easy.
For most of the water fowling  Improved Cylinder is the most useful although Modified comes in a very close second. While less useful for all-around use than more open chokes, there are times when Improved Modified is a good choice. As a rule, and depending on the load used, Improved Modified will extend range by five to 10 yards over Modified with some loads and yet at closer ranges it is easier to hit with than Full choke. When hunting with a side-by-side or over-under double, use Improved Cylinder in one barrel and Improved Modified in the other. About the only time ever use chokes tighter than Improved Modified is when pass-shooting at longer ranges.
Those rules work for most guns  but only pattern testing will determine if they work equally well for you and yours. To determine the maximum effective range of a choke/load combination for wing shooting, start by shooting paper at 20 yards and then back off from the pattern board in five-yard increments, shooting patterns at each range.
Once you see the percentage of shot inside a 30-inch circle drop below 65 percent you have exceeded the maximum range for that particular combination. While I realize it takes only one pellet through the brain or spine to drop a bird for keeps, I also realize it is possible for all pellets to miss those targets and if that happens multiple pellet strikes will usually deliver enough energy for a clean kill.

Smooth bore slug barrel or rifled?
Rifled all day long! JMO
There are three different types of shotgun barrels through which slugs can be fired: traditional smoothbore (any choke, with or without rifle-type sights); smoothbore with a screw-in rifled choke tube; or full-length rifled. In terms of ammo performance, it's the barrel that counts. The type of shotgun action - auto, pump, bolt or break-open - is not really significant. Nevertheless, the situation is not mix-and-match. For satisfactory performance, the type of slug ammunition you use needs to be matched to the type of barrel you are using.
A smooth-bore slug barrel does not spin its projectile, so its range is limited. A smoothbore barrel with a screw-in rifled choke is somewhat better because it will impart at least some stabilizing spin to a departing solid or sabot-design slug, and a full-length-rifled barrel is best (which is why high-power rifles are not smoothbore). In general terms, sabots are intended to be spun. The faster they spin, the better they work, the more stable the flight of the projectile they enclose and the more consistently they separate from the bullet. So, the rule of thumb is essentially this: All types of slug ammo, sabot and non-sabot, provide their best accuracy and the longest effective range when fired in a full-rifle barrel. A smoothbore barrel with rifled choke tube will be somewhat less accurate, and a pure smoothbore offers the least accuracy. You can safely shoot all types of slugs in all types of barrels, but if you use premium-grade sabot ammo in a smoothbore, you're wasting your money, and will likely get less accuracy than with a conventional old Foster-type soft lead slug, since the sabot won't properly separate from the bullet and it actually de-stabilizes the trajectory more than a solid-type load.
 On the other hand, if you shoot an old-fashioned Foster lead slug through a rifled barrel, you'll get much more accuracy with it than through a smoothbore. Rifling does work, after all.
Now that we covered some of the basic ideas on shot guns it time to decide on what type ofshotgun you want.
  Single shot -Good for beginners and seasoned hunters alike.
  Pump-Good all around gun Remington 870and Mossberg 500 are good choices.Both are
multi purpose shot guns with many barrel options. Combo set of barrels adjustable choke and slug barrels smooth bore or rifled.
Their are many other makers of pumps the choise is up to you.
  Semi-Automatic-These guns are the most popular  next to the pump shotgun.Berreta,Mossberg,Remington among many
others. The auto take more thought to hunt with, because its to easy to fire off unneeded shots by just pulling the trigger.
  So now you have some basic understanding of shotguns.You can start looking for the shotgun thats right for you.
  The gun you buy must feel good when you pull it up and aim.
  Buy a gun that fits you.
  A gun no matter what it costs, if cared for will last a lifetime or longer.
  Always be safe and see you in the woods
What do you think?